Rufián admits that ERC had a hard time "standing up" to Junts: "For a long time we couldn't claim pardons because, according to some, they wouldn't understand it"

ERC spokesman Gabriel Rufián admitted that his party had a hard time "standing up" to Junts and gave the example of the pardons: "For a long time we couldn't claim the pardons because, according to some, they wouldn't understand it. It's very brutal," he told RAC1.