Anguita asserts that "Mas does not want independence" and believes it will bring "disappointment" to Catalonia.

BarcelonaFormer general coordinator of IU (1989-2000) Julio Anguita has been clear this Thursday in relation to the Catalan process. In a conversation with journalists at the UB before the presentation of the book 'Atraco a la memoria' about his political life, written by the historian Juan AndradeAnguita has shown himself convinced that "But he doesn't want independence", but one "free associated state" in the Spanish State, with which they even share the King as head of state.

That is why he has criticized that CDC has generated the "illusion" among Catalans that with their own state they will achieve "solve their problems". According to what he said, Mas's political project will lead to "disappointment" in Catalonia, which is something that "it can be turned against you".

Who was also general secretary of the Communist Party of Spain (PCE) Between 1988 and 1998, he also attacked the "foolish attitudes" that have led the Government and the State to a "train wreck"Anguita did not want to venture to predict what might happen if Parliament were to make a unilateral declaration of independence (UDI), but he recalled that the option of an intervention by the Spanish army and the suspension of autonomy (through Article 155 of the Constitution) are on the table: "From there, the problem will come".

In his opinion, much of the "responsibility" for having reached this point lies with the Spanish government, but he believes that, "when things remain the same, talking aboutindependence without considering a future perspective "It's a risk."

The CUP is headed for a "breakup" if it reverses Mas.

And although he has made a clear defense of the call for a referendum in Catalonia - "should have been addressed a long time ago" - and the right of Catalans to "self-determination", Anguita has urged the sovereignist forces to explain What do you plan to do if the 'yes' to independence wins? by majority. "We must put to the people what the economic policy will be, the relationship with the EU [...] how the fiscal policy will be understood...", argued the historic communist leader, who has denied that the supporters of the own state have detailed what the independent Catalonia will be like.

In this sense, he has recalled that the model of country that CDC has always defended and the one that the CUP -"with a 'red' element that prioritizes social issues" - have nothing to do with it. The one from Convergència, he said, is going in "unison" with the PP and the PSOE, and has shown himself convinced that Cuperos are headed for an "internal split" if they invest in Mas"How will it be explained, if people vote for Mas, that they preferred to embrace policies like those implemented by Madrid?" he asked.

The C's speech is "the same old thing, nothing new."

Far from his forcefulness when speaking about Catalonia, Anguita has not been too forthcoming in reference to the December 20th elections, considering that his opinions could affect the campaign. However, he has given some clues to interpret his point of view.

He has not entered into an assessment of the fact that IU and Podemos did not reach an agreement to participate in the elections, but he did regret themedia operation which -according to him- has been done in this campaign against his former party and, specifically, against its head of the list, Alberto Garzón"IU is the third political force today, it is an indignity," he said in reference to Garzón's exclusion from the television debates on the top candidates.

In relation to Podemos, he admitted that a year ago it generated a "hope for a break with the two-party system", although now -he stressed- the polls do not say the same, while C's He said that "he is presenting a project that has nothing to do with the past" but that, on the other hand, his speech "it has to do with the present""What does C's think about the EU? And about the cuts? What do they think about job creation?" he asked, to affirm - in a veiled reference to the PP - that the Rivera's speech "is the same old thing, nothing new".