"Ah! Does he think he was referring to you?"

“I am not willing to allow a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to stain my hands with his crimes”, wrote the man arrested on Saturday night when he was allegedly going to attack Donald Trump at a press dinner. 24 hours later, journalist Norah O'Donnell reads these words to the President of the United States in an interview on CBS's iconic 60 Minutes.

The president does not lose his nerve (“I knew you were going to read that”) and resorts to the usual tactic: “You are horrible people”. And he states: “I am not a rapist. I have not raped anyone. I am not a pedophile”. No one can beat him in recklessness. Trump wants to show that he is not afraid to put these denigrating words in his mouth that, at any other time in the country's history, would have ended any presidency. We now know that Trump has made shamelessness his virtue and that this reversal of moral values has changed political debate, international relations, and news coverage.

But then the journalist, with the same coolness, delivers a line for the history books: “Oh! Do you think he was referring to you?” Trump has just received a blow to the jaw, but he has a face of cement and replies: “You are a disgrace”.

There are no good solutions for debating or interviewing such a person, but this “Oh! Do you think he was referring to you?” allows us to affirm, at least, that Trump lives every day knowing that millions of Americans and millions of people around the world have the worst possible personal opinion of him. And that the words

rapist and pedophile pursue him no matter how much he denies them and pretends to never lose.