If a decade ago, on September 11th before the so-called plebiscite elections, the leaders of the Process had been explained how the film they were just beginning to play would end, they probably would have thought twice about starting that roadmap. We will never know if, had a time machine allowed them to see the Catalonia of 2025, they would have made the same decisions they made on the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th... The reality of the Principality, ten years later, is very different from what it was a decade ago: 2015 bears no resemblance to the composition of the Catalan chamber today. Now, there is no pro-independence majority in the Parliament, and it has been a year since Salvador Illa's government, which has pulled the PSC (Spanish Socialist Workers' Party) out of its lowest ebb and flow to occupy power in the country's main institutions, from the Palau de la Generalitat (the Catalan Government's Palace)—for the first time alone—to Barcelona City Hall. What Gabriel Rufián said in Madrid ("in eighteen months I'll leave my seat" to return to the Catalan Republic) is a distant memory now that Junts and Esquerra hold the key to governability in Spain. What's more, now that the two main pro-independence parties have become a new driving force for state reform, thanks to the PSOE and Sumar. A political framework that resembles Jordi Pujol's early years of the hatching of fish than Pasqual Maragall's attempt to reform the Statute of Autonomy and the one that followed.

Two former presidents of the ANC, Carme Forcadell and Jordi Sánchez, speak to ARA during the week of the Diada to reflect on the evolution of the country and the independence movement in recent years. During the conversation, they analyze why they believe that, eight years after 1-O, the pro-independence parties have lost their absolute majority in the Parliament and that the president, Salvador Illa, is in power. They also offer self-criticism when they have had responsibilities.